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Brian Eno: “Actually, in retrospect, I’ve started to think I’m pleased about Trump and I’m pleased about Brexit because it gives us a kick up the arse and we needed it because we weren’t going to change anything.”

The Guardian interviews the revered producer who has been at the centre of pop since the days of Roxy Music. But don’t ask him about the past – he’s more interested in how to reorder society.

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